Wow, Sam Sanders is a really good interviewer.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/648879063/interview-metoo-hits-elite-sports
I think an important part of engaging with someone is being present. Which is harder than it sounds. Particularly when you are simultaneously thinking—would that be a good cut of tape?
As someone pointed out to me once, the ear is shaped like a question mark. Listen before you ask.
Perhaps I should put that on the front page of my journal, as a reminder.